Curse

lyra_song · Dec 02, 2007, 10:40 PM // 22:40

It makes me more and more sad that people are regretting it because of the weapon skins, and not the fact that they are missing out on good missions.

Thats so superficial and petty to envy the weapon and not the fun experience that the person gets.

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If anet said buy $30 at the store and you get a free bonus, without ANY details about it would anyone have taken it?

If you had stuf to buy anyway, theres nothing to lose.
If you had no stuff to buy, then you certainly would be less inclined to buy it.

But really...instead of blaming them for "lack of info" on the BMP, you should be complaining about the "lack of anything to buy".

MithranArkanere · Dec 02, 2007, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Now the see the weapons and Tubes with cutscenes and they regret it.

Google 'MithranArkanere Visa'

The first post will be myself in this forum warning about pre-paid credit cards for those who can't get real credit cards.
And I was not the only one warning about them.

Now they regret it. But it took me 25 minutes to get one (Including the walk from my house to the bank) and It worked, I got all the character slots I needed, the million-editin update and then the purchases for the BMP. I even got all the available DirectSong soundtracks with it. With no extra charges! Just like transportation cards. Pay to put the money in, the same money is spent.

People usually goes for the 'monke see monkey do'. But hey, sooner or later you see the stuff and want it. Why don't they believe a little more in Anet and take the chances when Anet gives them?

Xavz · Dec 02, 2007, 10:50 PM // 22:50

While I don't blame ArenaNet for my inability to get the bonus pack, I would really appreciate it if they did put it in the online store. I had not played Guild Wars since June 2005 and began playing again during the middle of last month, missing the window in which I could have qualified for the BMP.

It just doesn't seem to me that there would be a downside to putting the BMP up for purchase in the store for ten to fifteen bucks.

Shadowspawn X · Dec 02, 2007, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by Jongo River

He did say "just to get the BMP". I got the BMP and I'm not offended by what he said, but have seen plenty of offensive remarks aimed at those who would like to buy it and missed out.

I was offended because it was offensive and thats how the hypocrite intended it to be. When I saw the promotion I brought 3 character slots in August to ensure I had the BMP. Now some hypercritical whiner declares me sad, because he is too short sighted to handle his business? I didn't need the slots at all, however the extra content was well worth it. And eventually I did find use for the slots.

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

By sad I did not mean it in a rude way, and what i meant is " a waste of money in my opinion"

Yes you did, you need to stop being hypercritical in every post you make. You put that out there as an insult. As least be man enough to admit it.

[DE] · Dec 02, 2007, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

Special Dances are pretty clear actually. You know what youre getting. And This topic asked me why I regret not getting it, and I have given MY reason. You are out of place to try to belittle my reasons and opinions when that is what was asked for by the OP. Your rant Loviatar was NOT. And if you were listening, ITS the likes of YOU that i'm complaining about. NOT ANET. Aka there wouldnt BE a complaint or an objection from me if you let people express their opinions (and what the OP asked for no less!) without rude insults and flamebait.

and alright ill defend my analogy- and elaborate on my initial point.

It doesnt really matter if its $1050 or a great unknown. The simple fact is that the reward was perceived by many as not being worth going out of ones way to obtain. My judgement call was based on a standpoint where I did not have suffiicient access to the investment vs reward. Neither do the people in my analogy.

as I have said before, I dont take offence against A net as its only a few weapons, but I DO take offence at people using their " freedom of speech" (which does not exist on Guild wars guru anyway) to talk down to others who regret not taking part, much liek Loviatar just did ^ and who did not only because they had an insufficient idea on what the rewards would be.

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Except there was no "Free Viewing" was there. It would be like this

- A Studio makes a movie, yet shows no previews or trailers of the actual content, and only releases a worded summary of a bit of the movie. and THEN price the movie at five times what it would usually be worth, but they say you can get it free if you watch four other movies made by them.

Now if you were going to watch those four movies REGARDLESS aka before the offer came along, then yay ..good for you , its win win. But If you werent, its not an unreasonable position to think that the person would pass on it.

Yet it later turns out that the movie was the greatest thing man ever put onto film.

SO the people who passes on the offer , ask if they can still see the movie, EVEN AT the price the Studio put for it.

But the Studio , refuse and say that no, it's too late and you cant, and it's not coming out on DVD. (Anet said theres no plans to rerelease the BMP)

Now the ppl who got refused..some may be bothered by that, others may not be. I however think that those the DID see the film to tell them to pretty much "Shut up and deal with it , Lifes not fair" Is a pretty darn rude and unfair thing to say. Hence my entire objection in this topic.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH

Haijiibirdhead · Dec 02, 2007, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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It makes me more and more sad that people are regretting it because of the weapon skins, and not the fact that they are missing out on good missions.

Thats so superficial and petty to envy the weapon and not the fun experience that the person gets.

Its pretty obvious why this is the case actually.

Thats because the ppl without , now have visual access to the weapons via pictures on wiki , here etc.

Not so with the missions, hence ppl dont know what theyre missing and so cant regret it.

If ppl were allowed to see the missions on observer mode , then youd have ppl regretting it because of the missions i think.

Dante the Warlord · Dec 02, 2007, 10:57 PM // 22:57

Honestly why do you guys bother, your complaining really isn't going to change anything. I think it was fair to introduce an expansion at the same time as the offer. I was going to go buy GW:EN from the store, then found that ANET was giving out a bonus deal. Of course i bought the bonus, not knowing there would be rly good items in store.

Im sure a lot of smart people who are discontent emailed ANET and complained to them, and they will probably be the reason that the BMP will ever be released. If there are enough people who think that, sure its possible, but you guys should join in and add to that support, then just shut up >_<.. its not like this effects the rest of your game in any way, you certainly chose not to buy. If not you will be complaining to the end.

Haijiibirdhead · Dec 02, 2007, 11:07 PM // 23:07

I'm not complaining against A net per se. I just don't like people gloating and putting others down when said others's position is entirely reasonable and understandable.

Rather I gave my reasons as to why I regret not getting the BMP, which I believe is the topic title's question. It just so happens that my regret is in part due to ANET's handling of it's promotion.

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"Yes you did, you need to stop being hypercritical--"

Hypercritical?

I stopped reading there.

Almighty Zi · Dec 02, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12

PAYSAFE is win. It is so easy to use. NCsoft should add support for PaySafe to all their games imo.

lyra_song · Dec 02, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12

I think they handled the promotion well, and that shouldn't be what people are so worked up over.

Its the store, the lack of things to buy (For some people), and the lack of support for some buyers that is my complaint.

Complaining that "you didnt know enough" is a poor excuse. We all had access to the same info. We all made decisions to buy $30 of stuff or to not based on the same information.

Haijiibirdhead · Dec 02, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

I think they handled the promotion well, and that shouldn't be what people are so worked up over.

Its the store, the lack of things to buy (For some people), and the lack of support for some buyers that is my complaint.

Complaining that "you didnt know enough" is a poor excuse. We all had access to the same info. We all made decisions to buy $30 of stuff or to not based on the same information.

What youre saying is that some took a gamble , others didnt. The gamble turns out to pay off in the end and hence you have people regretting not taking it, and others complaining that it should not have been a (such a) gamble, but (more of) an informed choice.

-Buying $30 worth of effectively nothing to get the BMP is not something most people would do unless the rewards were exceptional.

They didnt because they didnt know, or think there was much of a chance of the rewards/missions being exceptional

Yet they turned out to be exceptional.

Others simply couldnt buy online.

Hence the regret, and the answer to the OP's original question.

It really isnt something that can be argued against , unless you make a habit of telling people how to feel.

There is no debate here.

It's really as simple as that.

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and PS - before I'm called a "hypercrite" again, I would like to point out that all I've said is for people to mind how they express their opinions in a way that isnt unnecessarily rude or belittling to another's regret.

knives · Dec 02, 2007, 11:18 PM // 23:18

I'll be honest, I didn't get it because of two reasons:

1) I've heard of so many bad stories in the past about people being hacked by buying things from the online store, I avoided it like the plague. I ignored anything related to it because I thought that anything you wanted you could just buy it in a retail store. Due to this I was clueless about the BMP, despite all the promotional news.

2) I didn't expect this caliber of weapon skins that you could obtain OVER and OVER again. I'm jealous of all the free, nice looking weapon skins that I can't obtain. This was/is generally the main reason I do want the BMP now.

I'm not complaining about not getting it, as it was available for quite some time though. I'm just admitting that because of the reasons above, I believe they should make it available again through the same outlet or in retail stores as a bonus gift for those buying a campaign of the GW series. I believe this would further increase their revenue and they could play it off as a holiday sale. And although I'm sure some people did I have complications in buying something through the online store, I'm also sure that the majority of those ranting about not being able to get it in hindsight are only masking their reasons behind a veil of feigned helplessness.

cgruber · Dec 02, 2007, 11:31 PM // 23:31

I heard about the bonus pack but didn't plan on buying it. I did buy prophecies back in July through the online store and lo and behold I got it free.

Anyway I thought that was pretty cool and my undead sword is kick-ass

Nuclfus · Dec 02, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

It doesnt really matter if its $1050 or a great unknown. The simple fact is that the reward was perceived by many as not being worth going out of ones way to obtain. My judgement call was based on a standpoint where I did not have suffiicient access to the investment vs reward. Neither do the people in my analogy.

I think it does matter, because a specified amount sets specific expectations. People being told to expect $1,050 and miss out on $50,000 based on those clear expectations is one thing. People being told "a lot of money" and then missing out because they underestimated what that meant is another. In your case, you can blame Anet if you choose to for withholding vital information from you but the decision you make based on that lack of information is not their fault.

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as I have said before, I dont take offence against A net as its only a few weapons, but I DO take offence at people using their " freedom of speech" (which does not exist on Guild wars guru anyway) to talk down to others who regret not taking part, and who did not only because they had an insufficient idea on what the rewards would be.

The question I'm concerned with isn't whether you take offense, it's whether the fact that you take offense is reason enough to assert that these things have no right to be said.

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Except there was no "Free Viewing" was there. It would be like this

- A Studio makes a movie, yet shows no previews or trailers of the actual content, and only releases a worded summary of a bit of the movie. and THEN price the movie at five times what it would usually be worth, but they say you can get it free if you watch four other movies made by them.

Either semantics, or you misunderstood the analogy, or I misunderstood your point. I'm comparing "see movie in theater" to the BMP ("free viewing" representing the limited time promotion with the conditional investment needed for BMP reflected by a time commitment), "movie preview" to the limited information we were given beforehand, and "rent later" to your current state of seeing what the BMP is in full while not being able to experience it firsthand (which would be "seeing in theaters"). I don't quite see what "pricing the movie at five times its worth" has to do with the issue, since the BMP wasn't offered at any price or in any form other than a freebie for the online $30 purchase.

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Now if you were going to watch those four movies REGARDLESS aka before the offer came along, then yay ..good for you , its win win. But If you werent, its not an unreasonable position to think that the person would pass on it.

Agreed. Just for the record though I'll point out I never said anything about passing up the BMP being unreasonable.

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Yet it later turns out that the movie was the greatest thing man ever put onto film.

SO the people who passes on the offer , ask if they can still see the movie, EVEN AT the price the Studio put for it.

But the Studio , refuse and say that no, it's too late and you cant, and it's not coming out on DVD. (Anet said theres no plans to rerelease the BMP)

Now the ppl who got refused..some may be bothered by that, others may not be. I however think that those the DID see the film to tell them to pretty much "Shut up and deal with it , Lifes not fair" Is a pretty darn rude and unfair thing to say. Hence my entire objection in this topic.

I agree it's not nice on the part of the rude people, but it's time for me to play devil's advocate. Suppose you qualified for the BMP fair and square, giving up the pretty game box and fancy material extras that you (depending on who you are) may have been interested in, because Anet made it perfectly clear this opportunity wouldn't come around again. Suppose some people made fun of you for it, laughing at you (pretty rudely in some cases) because the BMP was obviously going to be a waste of all your trouble.

But then it comes around and not only are you very happy with the BMP, but some people (including a few that gave you hell before) are now pushing for Anet to give it to them either through some second chance or (in some cases) even an outright no-strings-attached freebie. Wouldn't you resent the reasoning that they shouldn't have to have met the same requirements that were imposed on you in order to get the content, just because they misgauged what they'd be getting?

One could argue that's a gamble you took by partaking in the promotion. But when we're dealing with trying to satisfy people who feel they lost out on a different gamble, doesn't the fact that now other players will lose this gamble make it self-defeating?

I'm not making a point as far as whether this is right or wrong and I'm not justifying anything. But I think it's worth considering that the people you see being rude and unfair are feeling pretty offended themselves.

Haijiibirdhead · Dec 02, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

XD Helplessness...lol no. Only mild regret. I prefer the tormented skins on my main chars anyway, so this would be for the heroes only, and possibly the fun of the missions.

But yeah , thats why my points have been more toward highlighting why it's reasonable to regret not going for it, and why ppl shouldnt jump down the throats of people who do regret it , especially since thats the topic title rofl. Some of the skins are indeed great, especially the mursaat ones.

Seems to me , that the topic was made to gather all those who do have regrets and complaints, so that it'd be easier for others who have the BMP, to tell them to shut up and get over it etc...SO shame on you OP.

mr_groovy · Dec 02, 2007, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

People in the Netherlands can't use paypal?

We can use paypall. That's helpfull how?

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Originally Posted by milan

Western Union is the one that immediately springs to mind. They offer a pre paid mastercard that IS available in Holland along with the rest of Europe.

Obviously you didn't spend much (or any) time looking for it yourself. Happily a couple of my Dutch friends did, they have the BMP.

Well could you ask your guildies to post here about that? I've looked at the dutch end of the website for about 10 mins, and can 't find any link on how to get a pre-paid card of them

Haijiibirdhead · Dec 02, 2007, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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I agree it's not nice on the part of the rude people, but it's time for me to play devil's advocate. Suppose you qualified for the BMP fair and square, giving up the pretty game box and fancy material extras that you (depending on who you are) may have been interested in, because Anet made it perfectly clear this opportunity wouldn't come around again. Suppose some people made fun of you for it, laughing at you (pretty rudely in some cases) because the BMP was obviously going to be a waste of all your trouble.

Ah but that's not what I'm debating. I'm not debating those who were due for a purchase of EotN anyway, but for some reason chose to buy in retail instead of online. For them I agree that a certain degree of incredulty , (but not rudeness) may be warranted by those who bought it "fair and square"

But it can be argued that retail customers are just as valuable as online..so ya , like i say its a different tangent on this issue.

What I'm debating is those who got the BMP and are showing that same incredulty or rudeness to those who are regretting not taking part, but were not intending to buy EotN during that period or couldnt , or couldnt use the online service for whatever reason. And the rewards werent made clear enough to warrant them doing a complete U turn on their spending habits and buying the BMP just for it's own sake.

And Thats my point. It's wrong for those to be rude to others who regret- for not shelling out $30 at the online store to buy it for it's own sake, when they werent expecting rewards or content this fantastic, and hence wouldnt of been motivated into effectively buying useless junk (aka not EoTN) just to gamble on the BMP.

So to sum up, it would come down to them being rude to those who express regret, ppl who's choice was limited to ..

1) Being fianancially manipulated. or
2) Missing out on everything the BMP offers.

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I'm not making a point as far as whether this is right or wrong and I'm not justifying anything. But I think it's worth considering that the people you see being rude and unfair are feeling pretty offended themselves

Maybe it's just me, but I think it's wrong to delight in another's regret. Speaking for myself, if I got the BMP and others didnt, then I would be in favour of giving others a chance to be involved in it, as long as they pay the same or similar conditions to what I did. Why wouldnt I? So I can delight in me having it and someone else wanting it? I can understand this for you know, weapons that are actually rare, but quite alot of people are going to have these weapons now anyway, So why wouldnt I want others to enjoy the game and be included?

gone · Dec 03, 2007, 12:58 AM // 00:58

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

There is no debate here.

It's really as simple as that.

Ty. you and the others have failed to make a choice. a choice that was easily made. 'I will Buy this or I don't think I will buy this.'

/edit. it's not that you failed (in the choice department), it's that you didn't make the 'right' choice.

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

and PS - before I'm called a "hypercrite" again, I would like to point out that all I've said is for people to mind how they express their opinions in a way that isnt unnecessarily rude or belittling to another's regret.

/lol
your regret isn't felt too much by the people who actually responded to anet's call to please use their online store.
/endlol

Legion Magnus · Dec 03, 2007, 01:03 AM // 01:03

All in all, I think this is another example of ANet's misguided attempt to do something nice for its customers (and make a little profit too). I'm glad people are getting some enjoyment from the BMP, but I also consider it unfortunate that some who did not/could not take advantage of the offer are unable to benefit. And I also consider it unfortunate that ANet has chosen a means to displease some of its established customers to make likely a small amount of profit (although I can't fault them for trying to make an honest dollar, pound, etc.).

The bad PR from this whole endeavor should be considered by ANet in any future offerings. I've read numerous well-stated arguments on both sides of this issue (and many less so

) but I hope that ANet learns from this situation and considers ALL of its existing customer base in the future. Whether selling a product for an appropriate price or simply offering it free to all, I hope the actions they take do not prompt such divisive conflict.

I come to the conclusion that the people repeatedly making such decisions at ANet (or perhaps its owners) either do not anticipate the impacts, or simply do not care. I believe they likely care about making a quality product and making a profit, but some of their decisions over the 2+ years I've been playing give me cause for concern. They've done many, many good things, and should be proud of them, but I also think they've made mistakes (its only human). They should recognize them, admit them, and learn from them when planning the next project.

Granted, many of those who are now expressing their displeasure could have acquired the BMP by making a qualified purchase (if they chose to do so, I did not), but my open question to ANet is why complicate such matters? Why not find another way to develop and satisfy its entire client base?

gone · Dec 03, 2007, 01:07 AM // 01:07

so how was this bad PR? because it didn't refine every detail?

they had my money hook, line, and sinker. any 'company' that gives me over 4,ooo logged gaming hours, for free...since '05, has SAVED me money.